Does anyone else feel like you’re constantly being gaslit by men and made to feel like you’re imagining negative experiences with them, or like your experience was a personal problem?
It’s like men have all decided to tell women whatever they feel that’s negative about them is their fault somehow. It doesn’t matter how illogical their arguments are, they will die on that hill in an effort to shut you up. Whatever happened to you was because you chose a bad guy. Men absolutely do not tell lies and they never pretend to be something they aren’t, according to them.
It’s very strange. It’s like men are playing a joke on us where they pretend to be dumb, pretend they don’t understand what words mean or pretend a word means something else. They pretend they can’t read body language, pretend they didn’t know you were uncomfortable, pretend they didn’t know something they said would be hurtful, pretend they want to bond with you to get sex and then when you realize they were pretending they pretend you were supposed to somehow know they weren’t serious.
All of this to get sex from women? If submission is natural for women, why do men have to do all of this to get sex? If they are so desirable, why do they have to do all of this to get sex? Wouldn’t we just naturally gravitate towards them?
And lastly, after we’ve been continuously disappointed by men who pretend to be something they aren’t, we’re supposed to write all those experiences off as one off events. We’re supposed to give this next guy who is showing interest an unbiased chance without being suspicious or cautious or else you’re generalizing men.
Wouldn’t it be easier for men if they enforced a new code of conduct amongst themselves so that women aren’t so uncomfortable around them and distrusting? Or is it just too scary for them to tell another man his actions were wrong? Why is it so difficult for a man to admit “yeah that guy did something bad, he’s a bad person who shouldn’t be trusted”?
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Men can't even make collectively agreements to wash their dicks and asscrack, do you think they are this sophisticated?
They just straight up don't care. Men are opportunistic, machiavellian, narcissistic by heart. Yes, they do everything to get access to your pussies, no, they don't care about the validity of means to achieve that. They tell you to shut up because your mouth only matters when it's sucking their worm.
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I read your whole post and I said "yes" to all of your questions. this post is really well phrased I think we could use it in the handbook you,
@Giga, mentioned? I don't know I never seen that handbook so I leave it up to you.
they did bc they see that it works. in the past men physically hurt women into submission. though they still do it, they refrain from it bc of the law and the fear of prison so they use verbal methods such as gaslighting.
silencing women is their biggest weapon in first world countries bc, again, of the law. that's why they bring up "but what about men who are victims of abuse??" when you talk about women's rights. they don't care about other men, they just want to tire you out by forcing you to be the feminist saviour for everybody while they sit back and continue the abuse they themselves cause.
that's true and not true. when a guy admits something bad about himself, such as that he is bad at commitment, he is telling the truth in order to wash his hands and put the blame on you for being in a relationship with him when he cheats. on the other hand it's not true bc men absolutely lie for sex and power.
bc it IS a joke to them. they have never been at the end of physical or verbal abuse. the only physical or verbal abuse they suffes is when their girlfriend/wive lose their absolute shit and hit them or scream at them as a catharsis of a mental breakdown.
absolutely. men only care about consent so they don't get in jail for rape. they don't care about gray rape or they don't care that your consent is born out of coercion or manipulation. they don't care if there isn't love, exciment in your eyes when you say yes. they can see straight up fear and they don't care.
absolutely. they are cowards and that's why sarcasm is so popular among men. they don't dare, bc of laws, to hurt women physically, (hell they are so soft that they can't even do it) so they resort to verbal abuse.
exactly that's what happens to most women. that's the harsh truth.
I know BlackPillFeminism says that submission is natural for women. I disagree. I think women had been socialized and abused into submission. otherwise why do we women still have the fire?? why did women of the past fight for women's rights so much? why do we try to truly love ourselves and bodies??
sure capitalism and propaganda ruined mainstream or liberal feminism. and behind that men stand. bc men doesn't want us women to truly bond like we did in the first wave and second and third wave of feminism. they want to ruin the fourth wave of feminism. that is why they bring in the trans issue. it's harder to protect other women when you can't define clearly what a woman is. which is a human being with female sex. that's it. fuck everything else.
bc they are not as desirable and they know it. if women weren't brainwashed into thinking that noodle or dough bodied, weak jawlined sacks of sweat and grime and abuse we call men are attractive then women would choose actually kind and handsome men. women are so afraid of hurting men's feelings, bc of socialization, that even when they create an online space to droll over handsome men, they still post about lukewarm men. men who were maybe cute but not handsome when he was 22.
it's all fucked up. and I'm ridiculous bc I still hold out hope to finding a man for myself. this is biology that I admit; I can't help my sexuality and what I desire in men. unfortunately that's not something I think I will ever find despite my hope.
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If I could upvote this a thousand times I would. This is exactly how it happens. It's blatant and cruel.
"I still hold out hope to finding a man for myself. this is biology that I admit; I can't help my sexuality and what I desire in men. unfortunately that's not something I think I will ever find despite my hope."
THIS! Translates how I feel 100%. It seems to hint at inconsistency but I too can't help it. I'm a walking contradiction, so generally I have a lot of beliefs and attitudes that differ from each other, but this is one of my major frustrations of all. Mainly because I try so hard to dismantle the things I see as "weaknesses". The unintentional hope can be painful at times because it shows the difference between what I want out of life and what is truly available for me to get. It's like longing for something that doesn't exist. Doesn't matter how many times I'd tell myself that I will live my life without a man and that I would't have it otherwise, there's that almost inaudible whisper in the back of the mind that says "but what if there was this man, who was not as horrible as all men, that I could actually be happy with."
I need to get on some psychotic drug SSRI that absolutely kills my libido and makes me aromantic so I can finally be happy and free from my biological urges I could give less of a shit about if I didn’t have a monkey brain feeding me chemicals when i think of relationships or see a decent scrote.
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A lot of men are legit this oblivious/lack the mental wiring to identify and interpret body language, especially ones who are inexperienced at talking to women and at life in general. There are men who were raised around people who speak their minds freely and bluntly so they are not used to having to adjust their tact accordingly. The men who repeatedly hover around women on purpose and say things that they KNOW are hurtful or intentionally dehumanizing are absolutely pieces of shit though, no disagreements there!
This sounds like Pick-Up Artists and guys who never mentally graduated from high school, both of whom are despised by most other subgroups of men
The men who do all of that on purpose either think it is 'natural' and that sexually-active women are attracted to scumbag behavior, or, are simple-minded brutes who see themselves as competing with other men for women and resort to using force. And when a male like that comes across women who aren't overtly sexual or extroverted, they erroneously think they can "awaken" something within those women.
Guys who aren't pieces of shit do enforce such a code among their peers and will chastise their friends if they act like a Fratbro Douchebag or selfish and manipulative. The problem is that Fratbro Douchebags have their own clique/echo chamber and are unreachable by decent men. Decent men avoid knowingly associating with Fratbro douchebags and egotistical manchildren the same way victims go out of their way to avoid their bullies in school.
If a decent guy sees it happening then sometimes they will, but they're often not in a position to win in a confrontation against a drunk/built/more aggressive asshole. Further compounding things is that decent men are taught to keep to themselves and avoid conflict as much as possible. Scumbag men do neither of these things of course. As mentioned earlier, scumbag men keep scumbag friends who won't tell him his actions were wrong because they're deluded themselves.
That shouldn't be difficult at all, the only men who wouldn't say that are ones guilty of some or all of those things.
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Some of the men I encountered do, majority of them don't. A few of them try a lil bit and then immediately apologize when I point out what they are doing (many people, men and women, can be a little bit manipulative unconsciously). I know I could be lucky and my experience could be an outlier.
I'm very confrontational and I sometimes like arguing with people for fun. I argued about politics with every current and past partners. And I read a lot. So I'm very good at arguing. I spot and point out bullshit very quickly (also for fun).
I can look foreign, gentle and harmless so men sometimes try me (usually challenge me about feminism). I can get excited in my bullshit detecting mode and point out their bullshit and lecture them endlessly in social settings while still appearing very friendly. After that they tend to be quiet and afraid of me.
Good people aren't afraid of me. The bullshitters do.
Women too, I never leave my femlae friend who makes excuses for a harasser she knows alone and challenges her every time we talk about this person.
I might be a lil bit on the spectrum, should go to law school and make good use of my argumentativeness, right?
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