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upset because I realize what beauty really is

I really want to cry because I feel like for my entire life I have thought of beauty all wrong. Especially in my teens, and even more during my internalized misogyny manosphere era of my early 20s because I was studying engineering.

True, I am still objectively ugly because of several features on my face, but I'm not a horrible irredeemable goblin like I thought I was. I realized I was missing two major, important, pieces to the beauty equation: confidence/game and makeup.

I thought I had already softmaxxed since I have good hair and healthy body. But there's still so much more to it. I realize I haven't been taking care of myself at all, because what I believed about beauty was all wrong. I thought that because my facial features weren't perfect, there's no point in trying. But today I learned, after spending 10 hours reading everything on the FDS sidebar:

Physical appearance is not the same as attractiveness.

Just because your genetics doesn't give you the perfect instagram model face, doesn't mean you're not beautiful or magnetic. And I consider myself already quite charming and charismatic, because luckily enough my reaction to believing I was physically ugly lead me to "overcompensate with my personality" and be an interesting person, whereas that same belief lead me to totally giving up on my appearance. Now I see you can also beauty max, by ACTING and BELIEVING you are infinitely valuable. I used to look up to these beauty vloggers like, "they must have something I don't have" and I used to attribute it to genetics or confidence, or the tautology of "they're confident because they're born beautiful"

the real pill is knowing you're already valuable, you just never noticed it if you were always fixated on lack.

And also, I approached men with the apologetic mindset of "I'm really ugly, yes, I'm valueless, please give me a chance" so they treat me like dirt, so then it reinforces my belief that I really am valueless and ugly. That's because men take it at face value, if you believe you're worthless they agree with you. Actually! I think the better explanation now, is they treated me badly not because I'm ugly, but because I gave off the aura that I was valueless. Who would want someone worthless as a wife? Of course you treat the worthless chick who is convenient like trash.

Everything is coming together, and now I feel like I "know" what that intangible quality is that those beautiful people "have" that I didn't, and it was this new understanding.

I guess this happened because reading the whole dating strategy handbook, made me realize how I acted to men ("the energy I put out") resulted in poor results ("the energy you receive"), that I mistakenly attributed to being physically unaesthetic.

Actually, the results were due to believing that I was ugly, not because I was ugly.

Secondly, after I read the REAL purpose of being pretty and beautifying yourself (to be a high value woman) and not the way I've been taught growing up (makeup is a waste of time/for superficial people) I looked up some videos to put on makeup for the kind of features I had that I thought can only be fixed with surgery, when I realized, the woman giving the tutorial doesn't look that bad at all! And without makeup, she sort of looks like me! I don't know if that's just the human fallacy of thinking you're more attractive than you really are, but I'm not as horrible of a goblin as I think I am. It is still good that my upbringing focused away from my physical appearance, and I am glad that I became a well rounded person, because I think possibly if I was introduced to physical beauty at a younger age like putting on make up and dressing up, I would have only attracted superficial predators or based my self esteem on my appearance, and I really needed to complete this character arc first. To really understand confidence, value, worth, effort, attention and all that stuff, or else I would have ended up vying and being needy by using my physical appearance for validation.

I think I am one step closer to analytically teasing out what is that "it" is when I see someone beautiful and think, "she just has 'it' and I don't" and it both is and isn't the confidence I was lead to believe. This "it" thing some people just seem to intuitively understand from a young age. It's this deeper sort of "knowing" from the bottom of your heart that you are valuable. I think that a lot of situations happened in life and the meaning I ascribed to it was all wrong. Or at least now, I have a different and perhaps better meaning I can use to explain things, that would improve life even more now.

Recently though, I think my confidence has been overblown by the new thought that, "one day a guy is going to see me and think, 'that is my future wife'" because I learned that men size you up when they first see you, you don't need to "put work" into convincing him to love you as I used to think, especially with the ugly mindset (god I bet there could be a book on ugly mindset vs beauty mindset) that I have to convince him to settle for me because I wouldn't be able to get his attention with my appearance. Now I am starting to think, it's not about your physical appearance, it's about having "it" and the physical appearance can be a part of it, but not all of it.

I need to go workout soon. Because, even though I am not getting in a relationship anytime soon, I want to be a high value woman. I think someday a man is going to see my exact face and know I am the one and the most beautiful woman he has ever seen, and all of my antics are cute and not cringe. Sorry if this isn't going to be very popular on a femcel forum, but I feel like this is the third pill. Like, the first pill is assuming everything is about looks. The second pill is realizing your life has been shitty because you are ugly. But now the third pill is "what you believed about beauty, attraction and love is all wrong"

I am even starting to think that even though or BECAUSE I am ugly, it is not true that a man is not going to settle/never love me, in fact, there are plenty of beautiful women who get rejected. Having unique features would actually make me stand out. I wonder if I'm just delusional though haha. And I am now suddenly also grateful for my parents, because I think even though I lacked "it" they still tried to build me up all along to show me that I have value by investing in me, until I realize my own value.

Now that I realize this thing about "it" and having value, I suddenly feel a compulsion to actually take better care of myself instead of thinking it's a lost cause/waste of time why bother. Every time you take care of yourself, you are adding even more value to yourself. I think that's why for women, men fall in love with them at first sight. They already did all the work ahead of time by beautifying themselves. It's up to men to earn their right to love us. I have had the equation and thought process backwards by thinking, "because I am ugly I'll need to convince him to settle for me and probably spend years strung along"

I suppose now that I start reading the post from the beginning, what I wanted to say was that I just feel really sorry for myself because I was the one holding myself back all along. I could have began the process of beautifying myself long ago if I had learned that it was about "it" and not about physical appearance.

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You’re deluding yourself. It is about appearance lmao. Just because you had BDD doesn’t mean someone who is actually ugly can put on makeup and act friendly and all her problems will disappear. Femcels have tried these things already. Although I’m happy that you feel better and are getting past the BDD, hopefully you find the relationship you’re looking for.

I think the femcel that have tried these things without success may have not truly internalized it. There's a difference between dressing in the current style and putting on makeup to please men, vs just being present and knowing your own worth. short of having a skin condition or birth defect, I think with enough effort or surgery any woman can be beautiful. Some of the women I admire most are pretty plain looking, but because of their accomplishments they're magnetic celebrities.

Well femcels aren’t plain janes it’s hilarious how everyone thinks that. And yes surgery is the limiting factor, it’s not that easy it takes years of mistreatment by society, FOMO and strength to earn the money necessary for a procedure. And even then since women wall so quickly it might be too late by the time a femcel gets every necessary procedure to ascend to normie tier. A lot of problems are jaw related. Orthoganarthic surgery is incredibly invasive and costly.

ohhhh see this is why I made this post because it feels like within a week everything I've been conditioned to feel by society became unraveled and I realized the truth about beauty, such as even if you're physically decent, you'll be treated poorly because of your frame, or even if you're ugly, if you hold yourself well you'll be treated well. Or sometimes it doesnt matter, you can be good looking but if you act like you're ugly people, men, take you at face value. The hugest beauty pill of all is knowing you're beautiful regardless of how people perceive you. this is what I have learned.

do not believe in the wall, that's another blue pill propagated by the patriarchy. women are the ones who hold well, while men deteriorate. I used to think there was a deadline too, until I read the truth about the wall is a way for men to tear women down in order to get them to settle for them.

I think a woman can ascend to normie tier almost overnight if she truly understands what I'm saying here. maybe I'm delusional but this has been the happiest I have felt about my appearance in my life. like, it's not totally genetics it's how you hold yourself.

I dont think femcel are plain janes, I think they have a psychology that makes their mental health worse than a plain jane's, so they feel even uglier than a plain janes. it might be some form of BDD. I think theres an element of self victimization involved that I'm very familiar with which is "why even try if I'm born with shit genetics" but what I'm trying to say here is "beauty isnt about genetics, beauty is effort and frame" I think there is some personal history here because I remmeber I had two social media profiles for my art, one of them I acted like an embittered unpopular artist, the other one I made look like one of a popular artist. and that one ended up getting so many more followers.

lI dont want you to argue to prove that you're ugly, I never want people to be put in a position where they try to prove to me they're suffering. I was put in a position like that with an ex friend and I hated how she always invalidated me and I would try to make my life worse just to try and get validation. After that experience I try to talk to people in a way where they think about the good things in their lives. If you still believe you are an irredeemably ugly femcel, I will accept we have a difference of opinions. I dont want you to feel worse. or maybe you perfectly understand my argument, but you just disagree, which is fine.

There's definitely more than looks to the equation, I also had a super shitty social experience and have encountered men who tried to tell me I'm ugly, but here's the catch, I'm not, I'm actually very good looking, and have also been told this, I have also been pursued a lot by men but I never liked them back, but only men that didn't know that other people had deemed me already less valuable. I didn't exactly find myself less valuable than the people who mistreated me but I still have a sense of shame associated with those years of my life.

HOWEVER, I do agree with lookism, my life would've probably been much worse had I actually been ugly, and I was probably shielded from the worst of the worst, and from the other side I've seen a lot of men act disgusting towards not so good looking women, sometimes they go as far as to brag about it with me expecting me to agree with them too because "it doesn't affect me". Lookist men are at the very bottom in terms of personality, and there's nothing of value to be lost by being rejected by them

Edit> I realize I forgot to tell you about the other side of the equation but when I was in middle school I saw a few ugly women dating guys way above their league. They all started as friends first, all these girls were super popular, they were very fit, did dancing and sports, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THIN or HOURGLASS ,etc. One seemed to have a very tumultuous relationship. Another one is my "friend" to this day (I feel like she ignores me on purpose , idk what kind of relationship we have and I'm constantly having doubts tbh) she dated a guy a lot of girls wanted, they were friends, had a crush on each other and dated very briefly, she got tired of him super quickly because he was too clingy and let him go, and he tried to get her back a few times but she was done. So there's definitely some truth to the self-worth thing you're talking about. HOWEVER (yes again) she hasn't had another relationship that I'm aware of after that one. And she ended up "dating" an asshole in the past 2 years who clearly only wanted her for sex (she didn't put out though so he's been talking shit behind her back) and almost got another relationship soon after that one with a guy who seems nicer but they haven't made it official afaik (this one is ongoing and I haven't seen her in ages so who knows). And also when guys compliment her on her looks it's hard to bring up the fact that they're probably manipulative flirts... cause that's rude af and I don't wanna put her down but I never know what to do when she talks about them cause they sound like huge red flags with the things she says. Like that asshole she "dated" but like, there's not a non-rude way to say that? "Hey the guy who flirted with you by saying you were too pretty not to have a bf was being insincere" you just... can't say anything

I honestly think social media lowered the possibility of dating way above of your league for women. All these experiences were a while before social media beauty standards were as widespread as they currently are, that said, there's definitely hope

I had an experience like that too! I had a friend who throughout highschool I thought was much more beautiful than me, as she dated all of the hot guys the other girls had crushes on. it was long after highschool when I was talking with a different friend, lamenting how beautiful my friend was, when she said "dude you're more attractive than her" and apparently behind my back (for good intentions) she asked male strangers to rate a group photo of us and guys would say I looked better than my friend who I thought was attractive. I think I had severe BDD or low self esteem or something because throughout hs I always thought she was thinner than me because of how beautiful she was, until after highschool I learned that the whole time she was clinically overweight and 40lbs heavier than me. all of this just blew my mind. yet I had zero male interest, and I think lookism is real because the energy I gave off was a miserable ugly girls so boys would take me at face value that I was unattractive. it becomes a self reinforcing cycle because I believed "since no guy finds me attractive I really must be ugly"

yeah I think a big pink pill for me is realizing how worthless guys opinions are. and how there can be multiple meanings to a statement. like sometimes women will just avoid you if you seem intimidating, not because you're ugly, same with men they try to trash talk you to get you to feel insecure enough to sleep with them OR if you are objectively ugly they might lie and say you're gorgeous to get you to sleep with them.

I think ugly women still have a chance with men above their leagues because men like that will be surrounded by beautiful women all the time. but if he meets one with a unique face but acts like a 10/10 that will certainly capture his attention. there are many such cases of ugly women dating hot celebrities. it's because they know the secret to beauty is not to let your energy be affected by other people's opinions.

oh I also had a friend that wasn't as pretty as me but she always had guy's attention too, I don't think I had BDD but I wasn't comparing myself to normal people, only to people who were better looking than I was, the few true stacies I've met and celebrities, etc, so ofc I felt ugly. One day I decided to actually look around while walking downtown and I was like damn most people don't look good loool so now I try to keep that in mind when comparing myself, and I also remind other women to do that cause I've had a few girls put themselves down and I'm like "you're not ugly srsly" when they're normies or above average but not like Instagram pretty

Also now that I look back my friend who always had guy's attention there was this one time she told me that the guy she liked liked me and that she was jealous af, that was a weird experience. I never got to meet him in person, but she did so he kept asking her to introduce us, must have been weird for her since it was usually the other way around, where she went and talked to guys her friends liked because she wasn't shy and they ended up liking her and she told me they would get jealous of her for that, I just played videogames with him and had him on facebook and she was acting super weird about it but not that much since she eventually told me? She also eventually apologized to me for like "not treating me right" so there's that too. I think she was just more interested in talking to men and other popular kids, and partying, etc when I wasn't and she still is but we definitely had a blast sometimes cause I went back and read our messages at some point and I was laughing so hard

Edit> also curious about this, I've found that a lot of the women who are popular with men actually have quite trash taste in them as well. Like, aesthetic and sometimes even personality wise and idk if those two are related to each other? (being popular and having trash taste in men)

I’m glad you realized your value and working on yourself. I don’t have the time and energy to be fun, outgoing and confident. I know my life would be way better if I were those things, I know I’m holding myself back because I’m honestly just so scared. I KNOW how people act. They can be so cruel and mean and I don’t wanna deal with it.

I honestly wanna believe in what you’re saying that it’s mind over matter. What I disagree with is that normies hold some inherent knowledge that we don’t because you hear about women who grow old or become fat and suddenly THEIR eyes are opened as to how looks really mattered. Or are we supposed to believe that Stacies who open up about how they also feel ugly are all lying since their reality doesn’t reflect that mindset? Sydney Sweeney cried about how someone called her ugly and was clearly insecure about being attacked for her looks but thousands of orbiters came rushing in to tell her she was wrong and that she’s beautiful. It didn’t seem like she fully internalized confidence to me but people didn’t change their minds about her. If anything, everyone wanted to prove to her even more how beautiful she really was. Idk.

I absolutely agree, I think for some women they can be beautiful but insecure. so from my vantage point I might assume they know the secret about being beautiful when they're just as struggling too.

Then doesn’t that prove that physical beauty is the MOST important? Beautiful women can be insecure and people, especially men, won’t treat them like they’re worthless because they see what’s on the outside. I’m sorry if I misunderstood but I thought your post was about how femcels were wrong and that’s it all about having the right mindset.

it's the mindset that effort makes you beautiful, not that being beautiful is something you're born with. you can put a ton of effort into being beautiful because of the thought "I'm scared people will hate me if I'm ugly" or you can put a ton of effort into being beautiful because of the thought of "anyone can be beautiful including me it just takes work" I think a lot of femcel just give up, especially if they have an unhealthy motivation.

but we cant read minds and know what other people are motivated by. I told this to a friend and she said "you thought everyone was just born beautiful???" (this is the stacy friend that regularly snatched boys from a "becky" friend by accident)

I see what you mean now. I have a lot of complicated feelings on ascending tbh but you’ve given me something to think about. Thank you

I am glad that you have start seeing the value in yourself and start moving towards a healthier mindset . Truly hope everything works out for you