There are now, what, six different articles about femcels floating around different media websites? This is a message to anyone who found their way to thepinkpill through those articles.
What the articles don't stress is that objective beauty absolutely exists, and so does objective ugliness.
Femcels are defined by ugliness. Real ugliness. It's not in our heads. We don't have BDD. We are just ugly and unattractive. Being an ugly and unattractive woman doesn't make you a bad person though. Yet society collectively likes to think so.
Certain aspects of the femcel experience (social shunning, loneliness, bullying, lookism etc.) are relatable, but just because you have experienced them at times does not automatically make you a femcel.
To repeat: femcels are women who are objectively ugly. "Ugly" is often used as an insult towards women, but here we use it as an objective truth. Femcels will have extreme difficulty getting a serious boyfriend/girlfriend and the vast majority will never marry due to their looks. If you were able to get a boyfriend in the past/present and have had men ask you out, you are not a femcel. You are most likely a normie or low tier normie. The only time I was asked out by a boy was in middle school as a joke. He couldn't even finish asking me because he was laughing so hard.
Study after study has shown that Beauty is NOT in the eye of the beholder. Even six month old human infants can differenate between "ugly" faces and "beautiful" faces. No one is teaching these infants that beautiful faces are more interesting or nicer. Six month old babies don't even understand language or have control of their bodily functions yet they can tell when someone is hot or not. The infants are instinctively more interested in the beautiful faces and less interested in the ugly faces. Beauty is an instinct.
Beauty also transcends race. Beautiful women and handsome men look similar to other beautiful women and handsome men of other races. This is because all humans find certain traits attractive no matter what race someone is. Examples are: positive canthal tilt, symmetrical face, wide palate smile, straight nose bridge, etc. If you look at a group of beautiful women from different races they will look like multi-racial cousins. Their facial proportions will be the same, even if the particular features are different. Seriously, it looks like they all had the same grandmother or something.
To measure beauty we often use the 1 to 10 scale, with 1 being extremely ugly and 10 being extremely beautiful. The 1 to 10 scale is NOT like a school assignment where you need at least a 7/10 to get a normal grade. Most people you will see on a daily basis are 5/10. This is because looks are distributed along a bell curve like this: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xJ0ppilYqPc/UWL97BNIc0I/AAAAAAAAAVs/L_EewLX9lW8/s1600/hs.png
A score of 5/10 is a normal score.
However femcels are women who are 3/10 and below. Femcels will recieve harassment from men and women alike, and even the occasional child. Plastic surgery (aka "hardmaxxing") is needed to improve a femcel's looks. Makeup, skincare, fashion, and hair are NOT enough.
Men admit in private that they are unable to maintain an erection for women they consider 3/10 and below. This is why incels do not want to date femcels. They are not physiologically aroused by us. Even if they still attempt to have sex with us, they will be imagining a different woman in their head. This is where many "paper bag" jokes come from. See: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=paper%20bagging
Femcels are also not "butterfaces." In addition to having unattractive faces, we have unattractive bodies as well. "Butterfaces" will generally qualify as a type of low tier normie/regular normie.
Women who are considered 4/10 (aka "low tier normies") will have overlapping experiences with femcels. However low tier normies will be able to "softmaxx" using hair, makeup, skincare, and fashion to live a normalish life and gain a normalish boyfriend/husband/girlfriend/wife. Visit
+PinkPilledNormies for additional discussion.
Please note: Using the 1 to 10 scale to rate yourself is NOT sexist! Men are just as easy to rate on the 1 to 10 scale like women. The 1 to 10 scale is the best way to convey your attractiveness without revealing your face online. Revealing your face online leaves you susceptible to doxxing and extreme harassment. No scale is going to be a perfect objective measure of beauty, but they are usually only 1-2 points off at their worst.
Example of the 1 to 10 scale for women:
Examples of the 1 to 10 scale for men:
Feel free to disagree with me, but please recognize that there are features that are objectively beautiful and there are features that are objectively ugly for both men and women.
Trying to gaslight an ugly women into believing she's normal or even beautiful is cruel when so much of a woman's life depends on how attractive she is. Recognizing we are ugly is not sexist. I think it's more sexist to demand that every woman on earth think of herself as beautiful despite all evidence to the contrary.
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Isn't this due to your looks though? How attractive would you rate yourself from 1 to 10 with the chart as reference? Stacys get the romantic circumstances and love from men. Men put in effort for beautiful women. Ugly women and low tier normies just get harassed for sex and used as fleshlights. Normal women can occasionally experience this as well.
If you can't have sex unless you have a strong emotional connection, and no man is interested in forming a strong emotional connection with you due to your below-average looks, then your problem just comes back to your looks in the end.
So, I think your looks contribute to your situation. You sound like a 4/10? Or would you consider yourself a 5/10 with bad luck?
that's funny you've mentioned that.
NO. NOT A 4. NOT A 5. How I looked like: pretty much like Mila Kunis / Saorsie Ronan / Sophie Ellis Bextor / Megan Fox. I mean no shit. I was always thin, natural C cup, very accentuated waist. Green eyes, brown hair, pale skin like all the ladies mentioned. My lips tho were thinner. One guy said I resemble Winona Ryder, but he was inlove with me (and 10 years older, ugh) - I don't resemble Winona Ryder, she has dark eyes, I'm green. We're the same height tho.
Now I got a lip lift + lip fillers and my lips are Angelina Jolie size so that **really **adds up to my looks. I get complimented by men on my lips often. Plus I got endoscopic brow lift. Yes I panic about my looks anyway.
I think I give off "nice girl who is just happy with a picnic and a walk and is not materialistic" vibe much. But I also give off vibe "you can walk over me" in general and people of both sexes don't respect me. I give off the librarian vibe (which is so untrue, I'm just elegant and...religious).
Second thing is, I live in Eastern Europe, where men assume you NEED a man, any man, some man. My ex bf said Bridget Jones diary is about a fatty who can't get herself a man. So, men suppose you would just be happy if you HAVE a man and are not labeled as a future crazy cat lady.
And no, I don't cope.
I was called pretty and beautiful many many times in my life by men. Sometimes men on Tinder ask me if I'm fake profile.
that's also funny of you to assume.
Men think strong emotional connection is texting me about bulshit all day or calling me every day with nothing funny or wise or anything to say or baby talk or sending me memes or links to instagram posts or inviting me for a weekend on the lakes and I hate nature.
It's the librarian vibe.
yes, I'm not a Jessica Alba level, obviously. But I beat Katy Perry.
I think I get what you're saying and it resonates. We aren't femcels, men want to fuck us. But they don't want to treat us right, and we let them. It's a standards, boundaries and attitude thing. Cut them off within 24 hours if they start any bullshit. Start raising your standards.
Men don't want to fuck femcels at all, so treating them right isn't even on the radar. Please stop inserting one half of the issue to claim femcel status.
ok, but definitely a Forever Alone status.
This led to me being Forever Alone. It's not always like men rise up to standards. Logically, why would they? They can bother with me or have an 8 years younger version of me who demands nothing. Or a libfem fwb. It's not payable for them.
This is where I think FDS is wrong.
I agree. Men aren't stepping up and if we haven't found the 0.5% of a decent man capable of love by now, we're going to be FA.
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Christ. You're not involuntarily celibate, you're celibate by choice. That's totally different
isn't it what men always say to women? it's not about inability to get laid with someone.
By your logic anyone who's single is "involuntarily celibate". You're just super picky.
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Ok so you're a white demisexual/asexual religious 8/10 STACY who complains on a trufemcels forum that she can't get a serious boyfriend due to her intimacy issues? You realize you're making everyone else on this sub look like delusional Stacys when we're actually ugly?
Read the goddamn sub header:
You know, I knew something was up from your first comment. You seemed OFFENDED by the implication that you could possibly be, gasp, ugly! Then you were annoyed I thought you were only a 5/10. The horror!! 😱🙈
Now you're peeved because no one agrees with you. Stacy allllllllllways has to have her way and throw herself a pity party when life gets hard, doesn't she?? "Cry for me uggos!! Men pay so much attention to me it's annoying!! I can't stop fogging major celebrities no matter what I do!!! I'M TOTALLY A FEMCEL!!! LET ME JOIN YOUR CLUB WAHHH!!! 😭🤡😭
Being hot with high standards does not make you a femcel. The fact that you think so makes you extremely unintelligent or delusional. You're worse than those 19 year old Beckys on TikTok that call themselves femcels as a joke.
At this point I think you're just a man or a mentalcel trolling us. Maybe both at the same time?
If you're an actual woman go to
+PinkPilledNormies or
+ThePinkPill sub and leave the trufemcels sub alone. Hell, make your own +pinkpilledstacies sub. You have lots of options outside of this forum.
We don't need your high standards perspective as a whiny 8/10 Stacy here. This is supposed to be a place to vent and be vulnerable as an undesirable woman.
do you realize what a REAL Stacy is for instagramsick men?
THIS. These are the real Stacies.
https://www.instagram.com/gradek_justyna/
She's 29 so, some would even say she's hot but she's post wall so they don't want her. I bet some would say she's an 8/10. You guys classify as Stacy any women with an arm and a leg while men call https://funnyjunk.com/Diy+meme/ogjvLbt/11 Chloe Moretz disgusting. Most of your Stacies are just normies. It's delusional pov, same as all women are beautiful.
You're really going to point to a bitter incel's fanfiction post about Chloe Moretz to prove that she's not a Stacy? Really?
We go by statistical averages here, not incel fanfiction. Statistically a Stacy is a woman who is more attractive than 85% of all other women.
If you look at the original photo, the reason why Pablo was squinting was because it was THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY IN CALIFORNIA. It was extremely sunny and BRIGHT which is why he was squinting. Look at the shadows on the ground. The sun is directly overhead.
Her face looks puffy because of working out or drinking the night before and suddenly she's ugly? The paparazzi purposefully use a 200mm focal lens with perspective distortion to make celebrities look fat and suddenly Chloe Grace isn't a Stacy anymore? She's wearing a black jacket that hides her figure and suddenly she's fat?
If you're a conventionally attractive woman in the entertainment industry that by definition means you're a Stacy. Non-Stacys don't even get their foot in the door.
The fact that you continuously compare yourself to celebrities tells me all I need to know about you.
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Based on this response, I hope you don’t classify yourself as a femcel. You are not one and you will never be one. This sounds more like people who like to use beautiful women who go through relationship issues, or problems with the opposite sex to justify beautiful women having it just as bad, if not worse than ugly women.
Go to FDS and start picking better men. Your problems will be easily resolved.
I am a femcel and I think she's a femcel too:
https://www.indy100.com/viral/koko-beaute-high-maintenance-dates-b1849453
no man will meet her standards. she's too old besides.
No you’re not and she’s not either. This is the reason why the OP was created. Girls and women who have a poor understanding of what a femcel is incorrectly labeling themselves as one. This is dangerous because it only further perpetuates the confusion surrounding femcels and takes away one of the few things that ugly women can have for themselves. You’re honestly either a troll, a male user, or you have mental issues.
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Didn't you call yourself a normie/femcel a few weeks ago?
https://thepinkpill.co/+PinkPilledNormies/post/36f/stacies-never-put-up-fights-because
duh, yes, I am a normie. I clearly said not Jessica Alba (Stacy) level. Can you even read.
You also said this:
This is not a normie experience. At worst, you are probably a Becky if you get complimented a lot.
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